Becoming Roman Catholic

I am studying the bible and after checking into several differant churches I have just about made up my mind on which Church is the church founded by Jesus Christ who is still very much working within the church and protects its doctrines and dogmas. I have run out of reasons to not join this Church. I have investegated just about all the claims I've heard in the past and have found none of them to be absolute in condeming this church. I would like someone to give me one reason why I should not join the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Preferably I would like someone to point out a first, Second, or Third century extrabiblical document containing a charge that the church was preaching or teaching something that was not in line with what the Apostles taught. It would be best if this document was authored by someone who followed one of the apostles or had some first hand knowledge of his teachings. Of course this should cover some issue of Faith or Morals which the Catholic Church teaches today. Thank You.

Richard McLellan

There are so many good reasons not to enter Roman Catholicism that I hardly know where to begin and end in a forum such as this that provides so little space to reply. I will try to keep my answer as brief as possible.

First, your opening statement betrays either an uninformed or misinformed biblical ecclesiology. The minute you speak in terms of "which church is the one founded by Jesus" you have already abandoned the meaning of ekklesia ("church") in the NT. When it refers to the "true" church (in the sense you indicate above), it means the collective body of Christ; i.e., the entire population of those who have salvation through Christ. The Roman Catholic concept of a "visible," organized church that must have a pedigree going all the way back to the apostles is not only unbiblical and unhistorical (which we shall demonstrate below), but also contradicts the teaching of Vatican II which calls Protestants "separated brethren" and their denominations "means of salvation" (Catechism, Art. 818-819). Now if the Roman Catholic church really views Protestants as "brothers" and their churches as a "means of salvation," and includes them in the fold, then it tacitly subscribes to the very "invisible" church that it denies exists, and recognizes by such words that the "church" is much broader than the Roman church! In other words, Rome requires you to believe in mutually exclusive propositions.

While we’re on the issue of mutually exclusive propositions, let’s address another false assumption you imply; namely, that the current Roman Catholic church believes the same thing as the Roman Catholic church of an earlier age—or that it is the same church one finds in the pages of early church history. In his papal Bull Unam Sanctam (1302), Pope Boniface VIII declared: "We are obliged . . . to believe . . . that outside [the Roman Catholic church] there is neither salvation nor remission of sins. . . . Furthermore we declare, state, define, and pronounce that it is altogether necessary to salvation for every human creature to be subject to the Roman pontiff." To this may be added the words of Pope Innocent III at the Fourth Lateran Council, "There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved"; and those of Pope Eugene IV in his papal Bull, Cantate Domino, "The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal. . . . No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church."

These statements clearly teach that no one—not even schismatics (which is what Rome believes Protestants and the Eastern Orthodox to be)—can be saved if he does not remain in the unity of the Catholic church. The words of Unam Sanctam are particularly relevant here because it is an "infallible" papal declaration. Compare this statement to the "infallible" statement given about Mary’s immaculate conception: "To the glory and adornment of the Virgin Mother of God, . . . we, with the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ . . . do declare, pronounce and define that the doctrine which holds that the Virgin Mary was, in the first instance of her conception, preserved untouched by any taint of original guilt . . . was revealed by God and therefore is to be firmly and steadfastly believed by all the faithful" (Ineffabilis Deus). Clearly both Ineffabilis Deus and Unam Sanctam are "infallible" according to the criteria given by Vatican I. An ex cathedra statement is a statement issued by the pope that defines a dogma of faith or morals to be held by all Christians everywhere. Does Ineffabilis Deus meet this criteria? Its use of the words declare, pronounce and define suggests that it does, and all Catholics would agree that it is. What about Unam Sanctam? Does it fall under the rubric of infallibility? It, too, uses the words declare, pronounce and define, but adds to that, state, thereby making the statement even stronger. Ineffabilis Deus makes the statement that it must be believed by all the faithful. Unam Sanctam makes that same claim to mandatory and universal belief when it states: "We are obliged . . . to believe . . . that it is altogether necessary to salvation for every human creature to be subject to the Roman pontiff." Again, Unam Sanctam seems to be much stronger in its assertion that it must be believed. Incidentally, both statements are accompanied by anathemas for those refusing to believe.

Now compare these statements to Vatican II (which is required for Roman Catholics to believe): "[Protestants] who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic church. . . . Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation (Catechism, Art. 818-19). . .The church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who . . . do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity of communion under the successor of Peter. Those who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic church. With the Orthodox churches, this communion is so profound that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist" (Ibid., 838). One must submit to the authority of Rome to be saved according to Unam Sanctam, but can be saved apart from Rome according to the official Catechism of the Catholic church. Hence, we have "infallible" Roman proclamations that contradict each other—and both are required beliefs!

Your request for me to point out a first-, second-, or third-century extra-biblical document "containing a charge that the church was preaching or teaching something that was not in line with what the Apostles taught" is a misguided question because it assumes that if we can show that the early fathers believed as the apostles did, that somehow vindicates the current Roman Catholic church (as though the current Roman Catholic church holds the same beliefs as the fathers). But since you asked, here is an example of such a belief from Irenaeus who tries to defend the notion that Christ was over 50 years old when he died:

"Being a Master, therefore, [Jesus] also possessed the age of a Master, . . . sanctifying every age, . . . . For He came to save all . . . infants, and children, and boys, and youths, and old men. He therefore passed through every age, becoming an infant for infants, thus sanctifying infants; a child for children, thus sanctifying those who are of this age, . . . . So likewise He was an old man for old men, that He might be a perfect Master for all, not merely as respects the setting forth of the truth, but also as regards age, sanctifying at the same time the aged also, and becoming an example to them likewise. . . . [The heretics] are forgetful to their own disadvantage, destroying His whole work, and robbing Him of that age which is both more necessary and more honorable than any other; that more advanced age, I mean, during which also as a teacher He excelled all others. For how could He have had disciples, if He did not teach? And how could He have taught, unless He had reached the age of a Master? . . . . but from the fortieth and fiftieth year a man begins to decline towards old age, which our Lord possessed while He still fulfilled the office of a Teacher, even as the Gospel and all the elders testify; those who were conversant in Asia with John, the disciple of the Lord, [affirming] that John conveyed to them that information. And he remained among them up to the times of Trajan. Some of them, moreover, saw not only John, but the other apostles also, and heard the very same account from them, and bear testimony as to the [validity of] the statement. Whom then should we rather believe? Whether such men as these, or Ptolemaeus, who never saw the apostles, and who never even in his dreams attained to the slightest trace of an apostle?" (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, Book II, 22:4-5).

I have preserved the context of the quote so that it is clear to all that Irenaeus is at pains to show that there is theological significance to the fact that Jesus must have been over 50 years old when he died. He even goes so far as to suggest that this is a "tradition" handed down from the apostles themselves! Of course no one today (including Roman Catholics) believe that Christ lived to be 50 years old. But the point is, on what basis are you deciding to reject this "tradition" (which Irenaeus clearly believes is not only theologically significant and rejected only by heretics, but also given to the church by the mouths of the apostles themselves) while holding to other "traditions" that have equal or lesser patristic support? Among other current Roman Catholic beliefs that cannot be found in the early fathers are:

  1. The primacy of the Roman bishop (pope). No one before the fourth century held to the current Roman Catholic interpretation of "Peter as Rock" in Matt 16. Most interpreted the Rock as Christ or Peter’s confession, and the small handful of those who did see Peter as the Rock applied Peter’s succession to all bishops, not just Rome’s. The current mandatory belief for Roman Catholics given at Trent is that the church has always believed that the Roman bishop has primacy, and that there was no development of this doctrine.
  2. Transubstantiation. Most of the fathers—including Augustine, Tertullian, Irenaeus, Theodoret, Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Eusebius, Cyprian, the Apostolic Confessions, Serapion, Eustathius of Antioch, Cyril of Jerusalem, Gregory of Nazianzun, Macarius, and Athanasius—believed that the bread and wine represented the body and blood of Christ, not that they were changed in substance. Here is a passage from Augustine that is representative of the belief of these fathers:

"To be sure, we often speak in the following way: As Pascha approaches, we say that tomorrow, or the day after, is "the Passion of the Lord," although He suffered so many years before, and His Passion occurred only once. Indeed, on that particular Lord’s Day we say "Today the Lord has risen," although many, many years have passed since the time when he arose. Why is it that there is no one so foolish as to accuse us of being liars when we speak in this way? It is because we name these days according to a likeness to the days on which those events took place. Thus a day, which is not the actual day, but like to it in the circle of the year, takes its name from the actual day because of the celebration of the sacrament which occurred, not on the very day of the celebration, but long ago. . . . For if sacraments did not have a certain likeness to the things of which they are the sacraments, they would not be sacraments at all. . . . Therefore . . . in a certain way the sacrament of the body of Christ is the body of Christ" (Augustine, Letter 98.9).

In this letter to Boniface of Cataquas, Augustine reveals what his concept of a sacrament is. It is clear that Augustine uses "sacrament" as a virtual synonym for "symbol." Just as the Lord symbolically rises on each Paschal Lord’s Day—that is, each Paschal Lord’s Day bears a "likeness" to the actual day that the Lord arose—so also "in a certain way" (i.e., in a way that symbolizes the original) "the sacrament of the body of Christ is the body of Christ." So, for Augustine, there is a "real" presence of the body of Christ during the Lord’s Supper, but it not the "actual" body of Christ that is present. Instead, the eucharistic bread is "like" the original in that it "takes its name from the actual" body of Christ.

Yet this is contradicted by Trent which says: "Since Christ our Redeemer said that that which he offered under the appearance of bread was truly his body, it has therefore always been held in the Church of God, and this holy Synod now declares anew, that through consecration of the bread and wine there comes about a conversion of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord, and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. And this conversion is by the Holy Catholic church conveniently and properly called transubstantiation." (Session XIII). Now obviously Trent is dead wrong about the "always" part of this statement, as I have shown above. Yet Trent goes on to say this: "If anyone denies that in the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist are contained truly, really, and substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ, but says that He is in it only as in a sign, or figure or force, let him be anathema" ("The Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist," Canon 1); and this: "The council forbids all the faithful of Christ henceforth to believe, teach, or preach anything about the most Holy Eucharist that is different from what is explained and defined in this present decree" ("Decree on the Most Holy Eucharist," Introduction).

In other words, Trent has not only anathematized all the fathers listed above (including Augustine), but also tells us that the church has always believed in transubstantiation (which is demonstrably false), and forbids anyone to disagree with it in anything it states in this regard. In other words, according to Trent you must simply ignore all the teachings of the fathers on this issue and believe that they don't exist. Lest you take comfort in the notion that you may safely disregard Trent’s words in favor of Cardinal Newman’s notion of a "development of doctrine" theory in regard to transubstantiation or the papacy, keep in mind that Trent is considered to be an "infallible" conciliar council, and all that it decrees is binding on the Roman Catholic. So you are forbidden to believe that Augustine really said what he said (or any of the other fathers, for that matter), or that there was a development of these doctrines.

I could go on and on with every uniquely Roman belief, but I think I will turn to the NT evidence that you asked for, which contradicts current Roman belief. In addition to the obvious ones (e.g., no magisterial priesthood, no papacy, no primacy of Rome, no prayers to the saints, and no mediator between God and man except Christ), let me give you two on Marian beliefs that you may not have considered. In Matt 1:25 we read that Joseph kept Mary a virgin "until" she gave birth to a son. Most Roman Catholic apologists make the point that the word "until" does not necessarily imply a change of the situation afterward, citing various examples in the Bible where "until" implies no such change. However, they consistently miss the point that the phrase "hews hou" (until) used in Matt 1:25 is a different phrase than any of the examples they provide (they cite only instances where "hews" is used alone). The fact is, whenever the phrase "hews how" occurs in the NT (when it means "until"), it always implies a change in the situation of the passage. In the case of Matt 1:25, it means: "and he did not know her [sexually] until she gave birth to a son—after which he did know her sexually." In fact, there is not even one instance of this phrase (when it means "until") in all the Greek literature of the entire two centuries surrounding the birth of Christ where the meaning is "until, with no thought of what happens afterward." I know this for a fact because I have personally examined all of these occurrences as a part of my doctoral dissertation on the role of Mary in the NT, and as far as I know I am the only one who has gone to the trouble.

The second part of this is that the NT refers to "brothers and sisters" of Jesus (Matt 13:55-56, etc.). The words used here are adelphos and adelphe. Roman Catholic apologists cite examples from the Septuagint (Greek OT) where adelphos means "distant relative." They then transfer that meaning onto the NT in an attempt to see these "brothers" of Jesus as really his "cousins." However, there is not even one instance of adelphos or adelphe in all the literature of the NT, or its secular Greek literature counterpart of the first century, where adelphos or adelphe refers to "cousins." In fact, NT Greek has two words for "cousin" (anepsios, Col 4:10; and sungenis, Luke 1:36), and so could have called these "brothers" by their real designation if they were really cousins. The point of both of these observations is that they conclusively contradict Roman Catholic theology. In fact, most Roman Catholic scholars agree with me on this very point! You should read Roman Catholic scholar John P. Meier's book, A Marginal Jew (pp. 316-32), where he says the same thing.

But perhaps the reason you want to join the Roman Catholic church is because you think Roman Catholics are completely unified in their beliefs and that Evangelicals are completely disunified in theirs (another myth perpetuated by Roman Catholic apologists); so allow me to set the record straight. Among the smorgasbord of beliefs from which to choose in Roman Catholicism are:

  1. Whether the creation account in Genesis 1 and 2 should be interpreted literally or mythically. The Pontifical Biblical Commission of 1909 states: "Genesis 1-3 is historical, not a fictional or mythological narrative, nor derived from pagan mythologies nor are they allegories, nor partly historical and partly fictional." However, centrist Catholic scholars are convinced that Vatican II granted freedom to use critical methods for interpreting the Scriptures. Indeed, in light of John Paul II’s recent endorsement of evolutionary theory (which necessitates a mythical reading of the Genesis account), it is difficult to disagree with these scholars.
  2. Whether or not we should believe that Jonah was really swallowed by a fish.
  3. Which brand of predestination we should believe. There are as many as four (the views of Augustine, Aquinas, Molina, and Scotus).
  4. Whether or not we should believe that the Bible contains errors. The Vatican II text of the Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation (Dei Verbum) states:
  5. "Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confined to the Sacred Scriptures" (Chapter III, Sacred Scripture, Its Inspiration And Divine Interpretation, 1.1, 4-5.).

    Roman Catholic scholar R. A. F. MacKenzie points to the phrase "for the sake of our salvation" (above) as meaning that God ensured inerrancy only to those words in Scripture that are related to salvation (no others have this safeguard) (Fn 31, Abbott edition). Roman Catholic scholar Raymond Brown goes farther when he refers to "religious limitations and even errors" in the Scriptures (The Critical Meaning of the Bible). Roman Catholic apologist Scott Hahn (along with most Catholic apologists) no doubt would take a more conservative stance than either of these scholars. The point is, there is just as much diversity of belief within Catholicism, even in regard to official statements of the Catholic church, as there is in the Evangelical church in regard to biblical interpretation.

  6. Whether or not Mary is to be seen as Mediatrix of all graces, and if so . . .
  7. Whether she should be viewed next to Christ facing the church or next to the church facing Christ.
  8. Whether or not Vatican II is to be considered an infallible conciliar council (which invites modern exegesis (Cf. "To Men of Thought and Science," Closing Messages of the Council.), embraces the Protestant and Orthodox churches as Christian churches (Lumen Gentium), and displaces the use of force in the propagation of the faith (Declaration on Religious Freedom.), or . . .
  9. Whether we should instead believe Pius X’s Pascendi Dominici Gregis (which condemned modern exegesis), Boniface VIII’s Unam Sanctam (which excluded all non-Catholics from salvation), and the Fourth Lateran Council (which ordered Catholics to exterminate non-Catholics unless they recanted).
  10. Whether we should now believe in evolution (as does the pope), or special creation.
  11. Whether divine revelation comes partly from Scripture and partly from oral tradition (partim-partim, which was held by the Roman Catholic church until the last century and was based on Trent’s statements), or whether all tradition has its basis in Scripture (the Material Sufficiency view), which is the current "majority" view.
  12. Whether infallibility extends only to ex cathedra papal statements and ecumenical councils, or whether synods such as Hippo and Carthage are also infallible.
  13. Which Greek text type (Byzantine or Eclectic) is the correct Greek manuscript behind the New Testament documents (Roman Catholic apologist Bob Sungenis, for instance, believes the Byzantine to be the correct text, while most of his Catholic colleagues subscribe to the Eclectic text).
  14. Whether or not the current pope is a legitimate pope! (Roman Catholic apologist Gerry Matatics doesn’t think so!).

These are, of course, only a few of the significant differences of belief within Roman Catholicism. Add to this the deep rifts between the different sects within Catholicism, such as one finds between Roman Catholic apologist Karl Keating’s Catholic Answers and the Saint Benedict Center—the latter has repeatedly issued a debate challenge to Keating on the issue of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ("outside the church there is no salvation"). Similar differences of opinion on Catholic teaching may be found between Keating and one-time associate Gerry Matatics, and between Fr. Peter Stravinskas (editor of The Catholic Answer magazine) and almost everyone who writes to his publication with a question! The Catholic apologetics organization St. Joseph Communications (close associates of Scott Hahn) points to the profound differences among Catholics on the understanding of the New Order of the Mass defined at Vatican II, and openly admits that Catholics are having a difficult time "figuring out what Vatican II really taught about liturgical reform . . . since the documents are vague and are used by all sides to justify their own agendas" (see The Catholic Answer, 10, 3 [July/Aug 1996]: 61). These are just some of the differences of belief one finds within Roman Catholicism today, and it is abundantly clear that the "infallible interpreter" in Rome is for all practical purposes functionally useless; for although he could make an infallible decision on every one of these disputes, he chooses not to do so.

Or perhaps you have been duped into believing the "canon" argument posited by Roman Catholic apologists; namely, that unless we ascribe authority and infallibility to the Roman Catholic church, we can have no assurance of the contents of the NT canon. But did you know that the same synods that Roman Catholic apologists point to for the list of NT books (Hippo and Carthage) also provide a list of OT books that differs from the current OT canon of the Roman Catholic church? Did you know that the Eastern church beat Rome to the correct list by some 20 years, and that Rome had omitted the book of Hebrews but eventually decided to adopted the list from the Eastern church? And by the way, on what basis are you entering the Roman Catholic church and rejecting the Eastern Orthodox church as the "true" church founded by Jesus Christ if your criteria is some kind of apostolic succession and ecclesial pedigree? If you say that your reason is the supposed Petrine Primacy found in Matt 16, then you are arguing in a circle. For you have interpreted this Scripture as an individual and rendered a private judgment that Rome is right in her interpretation—but this is the very thing that Rome tells us is an illegitimate practice to begin with. One finds passages in the NT that seem to contradict Roman belief, and Rome invariably says that you as an individual are incapable of interpreting the Scriptures apart from Rome. And so the very principle that you say led you to Rome ends up being an illegitimate principle once you get to Rome. Ironic, isn’t it? Moreover, Eastern Orthodoxy, which also claims to be the "true" church and which boasts direct apostolic succession, believes that you are misinterpreting the "Petrine Primacy" passages, and also claims that you cannot rightly interpret the Scriptures or church history apart from the Eastern Orthodox church. So now on what basis do you decide which "true" church is the "true" "true" church? Again, the irony of such a question demonstrates the utter silliness of joining either one of these "true" churches. Both have shied away from a strictly biblical examination (since both would utterly fail), claiming instead that one must search for the "true" church in the annals of history. Yet both have the same credentials of "pedigree, tradition, and liturgy"; and both deny that you are capable of rightly understanding history or the Scriptures without them. So, in order to pick one, you must engage in the very practice that both of them condemn as illegitimate. Yet you cannot pick both of them, for they see each other as illegitimate. So again, you are left in a dilemma. You either use the "illegitimate" principle of sola Scriptura and private judgment to decide which one is the "true" church; or you decide that the principle of sola Scriptura and private judgment is not so illegitimate after all, in which case you remain within Evangelicalism and reject Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy. There is no other option.

Well, I’ve gone on too long already. I have found that most questions such as yours are not really sincere inquiries in order to make an intelligent decision, but are rather defiant challenges of someone who has already made that decision. If you are in the latter category, nothing I say—no matter how strongly it can be verified—will convince you otherwise. The proverb is true: "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." If you are in the former category (I hope that you are), then these reasons will be sufficient for you to reject Roman Catholicism from further consideration. I have written a book on the subject titled Evangelical Answers: A Critique of Current Roman Catholic Apologetics, available in our publications page. I also recommend Bill Webster’s book The Church of Rome at the Bar of History (Banner of Truth), in which he documents how the early fathers differed in their beliefs from the Roman Catholic church. Also, anything by James White is good, particularly his book The Roman Catholic Controversy (Bethany House). Anyone who is thinking about converting to Roman Catholicism, and has not read these books, is simply making an uninformed decision.

E.S.

 

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